vista beta 2 installation

I burned the iso on a DVD. In xp, I insert the DVD. The installation window opens. I want to install in my second(not boot) HD. The install window has option to start install. Can I install this way, ie upgrade to vista, without clean install. The Microsoft recommends this method. I just want to be sure before I install. Upgrade advisor says my pc has no hardware or software issues.

Make sure yours data is backed up before doing an upgrade. Upgrades are not guaranteed to work, I would prefferably install it on the secondary drive. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Rang" wrote in message

I burned the iso on a DVD. In xp, I insert the DVD. The installation window opens. I want to install in my second(not boot) HD. The install window has option to start install. Can I install this way, ie upgrade to vista, without clean install. The Microsoft recommends this method. I just want to be sure before I install. Upgrade advisor says my pc has no hardware or software issues.

I burned the iso on a DVD. In xp when I insert the DVD, the vista installation window opens and has the option to install. I want to install on my second(not boot) HD. Can I do this upgrade instal instead of clean instal. The upgrade advisor says there are no hardware or software issues.Microsoft recommends this method. I just want your concurrence.

I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

You really think so, Steve?
"Steve" wrote in message

I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

Well, lets see. I must have performed a gazillion installs in my lifetime with computers and still scares me.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

You really think so, Steve?
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

As long as you accept the fact that THIS IS A BETA and prone to bugs and not go whining and blaming others when it not perfect, I see it as a good way to learn. If you don't do a good thourough back prior to install...You get what you deserve. I have worked 10+ years in IT with no fomral education in it and have been quite successful with my degree from the school of hard knocks...
Cheers
-Greg
"Steve" wrote in message

I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message

I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

Well the TechBeta and TAP programs certainly are by invitation. The public Beta 2 is self-screening. What MS means by "Customer" in "Customer Preview Program" is spelled out on GetReady and someone who aspires to fitting one of those descriptions is free to do so. MS obviously accepted that large numbers of folks who did not fit the description of "Customer" as defined by the program would jump in anyway and that some would get burned. Experience has probably shown them that these bunglers would work their way back out of it and some would learn from it. I don't mind being here to facilitate all of that as I do my own testing.
But this program is running true to form for an era in which a sense of responsibility for the consequences of one's choices is largely missing. I don't mind those who freely admit they screwed up. It is the ones who blame MS or Vista or the neighbors dog for their computer being messed up that I have no patience with.
"LS (V)" wrote in message

Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

Colin
I've been into computers since the transistor and 4/8 bit micropressor days and did machine code programming.
I agree that there are obviously many people who are trying the beta that have no idea what they're doing. They do not even have the savy to seach the discussions to see if their problem has already been discussed. My hats off to you guys for your patience in your answers. I always look to see if the problems I have were addressed or a derivative of it so I can fix it my self if possible. I try to look at problems from all angles before submitting it as a problem to Microsoft.
I believe that part of Microsoft's agenda is to put pressure on hardware and software vendors to get off the stick through customer requests.
Unfortunately, their are too many people trying it who think that this is "free software" and Microsoft should answer all their problems. The same people probably think this is a direct line to Microsoft instead of a self-help group with different skill levels represented. -- I''m Down the Tubes with the whales!
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

Well the TechBeta and TAP programs certainly are by invitation. The public Beta 2 is self-screening. What MS means by "Customer" in "Customer Preview Program" is spelled out on GetReady and someone who aspires to fitting one of those descriptions is free to do so. MS obviously accepted that large numbers of folks who did not fit the description of "Customer" as defined by the program would jump in anyway and that some would get burned. Experience has probably shown them that these bunglers would work their way back out of it and some would learn from it. I don't mind being here to facilitate all of that as I do my own testing.
But this program is running true to form for an era in which a sense of responsibility for the consequences of one's choices is largely missing. I don't mind those who freely admit they screwed up. It is the ones who blame MS or Vista or the neighbors dog for their computer being messed up that I have no patience with.
"LS (V)" wrote in message Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

I doubt that MS is using the program to pressure the partners, at least not by generating pressure from irritated beta testers about missing drivers and such, which I think you mean. Just the existance of the Customer Preview Program is a sufficient wake-up call that release is approaching.
Since this is a beta program to benefit MS and not an early adoption program to benefit users I do not see much justification for MS to provide support. The bug reports and follow-ups are more important than any beta tester's system getting fixed. The fixes may in fact backfire in future builds.
Yes, many do think that MS somehow closely monitors the ng's or that MS experts are here to help them. In fact there are all kinds screwy misimpressions about what ng's are for. Unfortunately, some also use it as a blogging medium. I'm talking about the extremely long "my impression of Vista" posts. Who here cares? Just the poster. Such posts offer no help for other users and will never reach the Vista team who do collect 'sentiments,' as they call them.
Like you, I too wonder why folks with the skill sets I have seen in these newsgroups would take the time to participate. In any other context their time would earn them plenty of bucks. Of course the answer is compassion.
Hats off to the compassionate ones..
"rabuf" wrote in message

Colin
I've been into computers since the transistor and 4/8 bit micropressor days and did machine code programming.
I agree that there are obviously many people who are trying the beta that have no idea what they're doing. They do not even have the savy to seach the discussions to see if their problem has already been discussed. My hats off to you guys for your patience in your answers. I always look to see if the problems I have were addressed or a derivative of it so I can fix it my self if possible. I try to look at problems from all angles before submitting it as a problem to Microsoft.
I believe that part of Microsoft's agenda is to put pressure on hardware and software vendors to get off the stick through customer requests.
Unfortunately, their are too many people trying it who think that this is "free software" and Microsoft should answer all their problems. The same people probably think this is a direct line to Microsoft instead of a self-help group with different skill levels represented. -- I''m Down the Tubes with the whales!
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Well the TechBeta and TAP programs certainly are by invitation. The public Beta 2 is self-screening. What MS means by "Customer" in "Customer Preview Program" is spelled out on GetReady and someone who aspires to fitting one of those descriptions is free to do so. MS obviously accepted that large numbers of folks who did not fit the description of "Customer" as defined by the program would jump in anyway and that some would get burned. Experience has probably shown them that these bunglers would work their way back out of it and some would learn from it. I don't mind being here to facilitate all of that as I do my own testing.
But this program is running true to form for an era in which a sense of responsibility for the consequences of one's choices is largely missing. I don't mind those who freely admit they screwed up. It is the ones who blame MS or Vista or the neighbors dog for their computer being messed up that I have no patience with.
"LS (V)" wrote in message Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

They do screen beta testers. If all of the testers were perfect they wouldnt find the problems that the average user encounters. I have only been using computers for a couple years with no training at all and I have been in the beta testing program for about 1 year. I have been using the beta programs very successfully. I use almost all the live beta's, office 2007, windows defender and one care. I just installed Vista build 5384 and even though I know that I will screw up a couple times my feedback helps make the programs work. That is what beta is for.
"LS (V)" wrote:

Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.

But remember that the Customer Preview Program beta testers, unlike the TechBeta Program beta testers, are completely unscreened. They go to GetReady, request the download and key, wait for the email, and away they go.
In spite of all that MS has to say on the subject on GetReady, a lot of these folks are not thinking about beta testing but just trying to become early adopters.
"dan brown" wrote in message

They do screen beta testers. If all of the testers were perfect they wouldnt find the problems that the average user encounters. I have only been using computers for a couple years with no training at all and I have been in the beta testing program for about 1 year. I have been using the beta programs very successfully. I use almost all the live beta's, office 2007, windows defender and one care. I just installed Vista build 5384 and even though I know that I will screw up a couple times my feedback helps make the programs work. That is what beta is for.
"LS (V)" wrote:
Steve, I use to think Microsoft screened the "Beta" Testers. Apparently not.... Seems to me they are passing the "Betas" out to anyone that can download them. If people would just research ( or at least read the instructions) on the new Vista System before they jump head first into it, they might see some of the possible obstructions to their "good intentions". As a Technician and shop owner, I get several calls a day wanting advice on "Fixing" their screw-ups. As a rule, I just tell them to either bring it in or reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Being in the business since '71, I (like your self) have seen a majority of clean running systems destroyed by "OP's" trying to experiment. I think there should be more limits on the Beta Downloads and that might at least keep a lot of systems running.
"Steve" wrote in message I'm thinking there are a lot of people installing Vista Beta 2 that, maybe shouldn't be. Installing a new operating system can be a steep learning curve, especially a beta.